RE: [efrat] Movie about our neighborhood

> Cc: 'Efrat List'
> Subject: RE: [efrat] Movie about our neighborhood
>
> Ok, so what is our response? I would like to know it.
>
> Those apricot trees were not 20 years old. (I think one man mentioned
> that they had been living off the fruit for 20 years?) But the one
> olivetree we saw destroyed certainly was - so what's the story?

I watched that film.

http://corky.net/~eran/yossi/Ertas%20200507%20Forweb.WMV

First, those apricot trees were not 20 years old, no way in Hades. They were maybe 6 or 7 years old. Anyway, if they were indeed 20 years old then they would be dead, or at least they would be going out of production and arrive at the end of their lives. If they were 20 years old then they'd be huge, in terrible shape and many in the field would have already died and left obvious gaps in the rows and in the field. Apricot trees only produce commercial fruit for 20 years, maximum, under the best of conditions -- and believe me those trees didn't get anything approaching ideal care.

Second, contrary to the claim that those Arabs make a living off those trees, even if they each had 50 or 60 trees each they couldn't possibly live off them. A mature & productive apricot tree can produce 20 maybe 30 kg of commercial quality fruit assuming that it was pruned properly and 90% of the fruit is removed very early when the fruit is at the size of a lima bean or smaller. Such thinning of fruit makes those that remain big, sweet and sale-able. But it's a lot of work. So do the math, multiply the 60 trees that the guy claimed he had that was slated for destruction, times 30 kg/tree times the price of apricots/kg in the stores these days and if any Arab would try to live off the proceeds he'd starve after 2 months at best. They lied about making a living off those trees, as no one can make a living off 60 trees.

Often in propaganda films what is not said and not shown is significant. How many trees over how much of an area did the earthmover actually destroy? 60? 100? 10,000? They didn't say, funny enough. Instead of giving us facts of the extent of the damage they showed us the "heart-rending" scenes of the power shovel uprooting a few trees but they never gave a shot of the final damage - instead they showed one guy bemoaning the loss of his trees and one other making the motion of wiping a tear from his eye, although we couldn't see any tear. I'd be interested in going to that site and see what area was plowed up for the sewerage treatment facility. Let's see how much of an area was affected.

BTW, I understand that a vast majority of Arab towns and villages do not have sewage treatment facilities and they just dump their sewerage in some wadi or each family dumps their excrement down a hole thus allowing it to contaminate the ground water that we all drink. Why aren't they complaining that they don't have sewage treatment for their town and is just contaminating the ground water instead of complaining about the loss of a few trees?

Oh, and the Arabs will be rejoicing when the treatment center starts working because it will release treated water that they will gleefully use to water their trees and other crops. So for the price of a few fruit trees they'll have an abundance of clean water to use for their agriculture, thanks to dem Jooz! But that won't get on TV or on the net!

Kudos to the soldiers who reacted well in front of the cameras, with smiles, with sufficient sensitivity -- but not too much sensitivity. They did well in that they did not enter into a dispute with the Arabs.

> Is it illegally planted land on land officially owned by Jews?
> (Please
> don't tell me we have a Biblical right to all the land, etc.) Was it
> bought out and paid for by the government in order to build the wall,
> and we aren't told that? Has there been stone throwing/shooting from
> that clump of trees necessitating its uprooting? Or what? Forgive my
> utter ignorance.

There are laws in every western country -- Right of Eminent Domain - that gives the government the right to undertake projects for the public good that may involve destroying property of others. If the property destroyed is legitimately owned by another and they can prove it then the government disburses compensation. But the policy everywhere in every country is: "no tickee, no washee" for if they took land without going through official channels and they don't have a deed then they won't get a nickel in compensation. Not just in Israel but in "progressive" countries like the US and Canada.

And ya mean that they didn't take this issue to the highly sympathetic Israeli Supreme Court that bends over backwards to satisfy Arab complaints? Wow, that says a lot about their case right there!

Heck, anyone can get a herd of folks to sit down at a kumzitz and one clown can cry crocodile tears in front of a camera and pull the heartstrings. But then the leftists know that emotion, passion and lies are the things that manipulate the "ignorant and astonished masses" (as Rene Descartes condescendingly referred to all of humanity, except
himself.)

As a former orchardist of some 15 years experience in Gush Etzion, I would like to point out that a number of sections of our orchards that I worked in were wrecked by Arab vandals.

Example #1: Kibbutz Migdal Oz had 5 dunams (1.4 acres) of mature sweet cherry trees in a section that faced Bet-Fajar that were burned to the ground. Arabs from Bet Fajar set an orchard alight -- oh, for anyone who might object to my "assuming" they were Arabs -- we knew that they came from and retuned to Bet-Fajar because the IDF brought in a Arab Bedouin tracker and he was the one who determined that the footprints of the GROUP of 5 people who lit the fires in a number of places simultaneously in the orchard had come from and returned to Bet-Fajar. Somehow a fire like that was not caused by Jewish Girl Scouts selling cookies who stopped to have a campfire to heat a can of baked beans because they were a bit hungry.

Example #2: In another incident a number of years ago, some 35 mature nectarine trees were seriously damaged or destroyed when Arabs entered
Kibbutz Migdal Oz's orchard which faced el-Arub UNRWA Camp. The Arabs,
entered at night, armed with hand saws, they cut through the primary limbs of the trees as the trees were developed into a goblet shape. The Arabs cut through about 85% of the diameter of the limbs and then they jumped on them which caused them to break and the bark was stripped off down the trunks, clear down to ground level. When that kind of damage is done there's no way to cut back the tree to eliminate the damage as the it goes all the way down to the ground so they did so in a way that mostly destroyed the trees. Again, Bedouin trackers determined that a GROUP of individuals who came and retuned to el-Arub did it.

Example #3: It happened that an Arab who deliberately led his herd of some 15 goats into our plum orchard and allowed his beasts to climb into the trees and eat the unripe fruit and leaves. Goats climb, they are heavy animals and when they climb into trees they break primary limbs with each leap. In the 7 minutes those goats were allowed to have their way with our trees the damage looked like some enormous machine went through the rows and smashed the trees with a huge hammer. If I had not seen the goats do the damage I with my own eyes I would have not believed that they were capable of that kind and extent of destruction. In response we "appropriated" a goat and told the sheppard that he'd get it back when money was paid in compensation for the extensive damage. Man, and it took about 6 more years for the trees to regrow to overcome the damage that a mere 7 minutes of goat activity in the orchard caused. That goat should have gone into a kibbutz cholent in order to partially pay for the damage.

Example #4: Before Rabin & Peres signed the Oslo Peace Accords with Arafat and Jimmy "Peanut Brain" Carter the Arabs snuck into our orchards to steal fruit only at night and only when the moon was not visible so to make it harder for our patrols to spot them. The very day after those accursed Oslo Accords were signed the Arabs gained tremendous confidence and went into our orchards and began to brazenly steal fruit in broad daylight while we were also picking in those same sections.

I have no sympathy for Arabs when they bemoan the uprooting of their orchard trees, as they have gone out of their way to inflict damage on our crops just out of meanness and intolerance. They also steal because it's a part of their culture and mentality and religion. Mohammed routinely carried out raids of thefts on specifically to non-Muslims and regarded this as a virtue. His behavior and attitudes were recorded in the Hadith, which is another sacred Muslim book that tells of the deeds of Muhammad and his gang. It records some 75 terrorist attacks that he perpetrated and it illustrates how his evil mental state was a model for succeeding generations of Muslims. Note that the Hadith was written by Mohammed's supporters and NOT by his detractors. I suggest taking seriously the following site: www.prophetofdoom.net that outlines the contents and repercussions of Muslim holy books that promote terror and intolerance.


> Does anyone understand enough Arabic to understand the last 20 seconds
> of monologue at the end? The words were not subtitled. Was that an
> innocent lapse or something the movie makers didn't want non-Arabs to
> understand?
>
> (We should all be making sure our kids learn Arabic. For positive and
> negative reasons.)

Of course, it's good to learn the language of your enemy, it works everywhere else in the world.

Dale
>
> Thanks,
> Yael